DanielGrushin Ban Appeal

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2 weeks 3 days ago - 2 weeks 3 days ago #28170 by DanielGrushin
DanielGrushin Ban Appeal was created by DanielGrushin
Hello!
I was perma-banned on 07.18.2020 while flying f16 for supposedly shooting down hind in DoD. I would like to appeal because last flag was in play and hind was continuously engaging our troops from DoD and quickly flying back to main. I heard that hind was engaging our squads on the last flag over squad radio and dive on him and shot him down. After that hind pilot reported me for shooting him in DoD (he wasn't in the DoD, please check br) and I've got perma-banned.

Please rethink a rule about DoD. If you actively engaging from your DoD you are allowed to be shot down/killed by the enemy. Especially on the maps like op_thunder where last flags are so close to your main that you can abuse NO SHOOTING IN DOD rule and hydra spam the object from it and pulling "you killed me in main" card if you was shot down.

Thanks.

Map: opthunder_std
CD: bf90668591e946a3bb7cd8f9b103fceb
Name: DanielGrushin
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2 weeks 3 days ago #28171 by daxt2
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I was in Daniel's squad when this happened. Our teammates were constantly reporting the enemy hinds for "shooting out of DoD", but nothing was done, not even a warn. Their last flag was literally 2 grids from their main so they kept doing it. And it's not like they did this once, they did it 7 or 8 times before Daniel killed them. This was pure rule exploitation by the Russian cas squad, plain and simple. Unjust ban.
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2 weeks 3 days ago #28172 by ShrapGnoll
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[01:51:40 GLOBAL] GregLegs: !r jet hitting cas in dodo
[01:51:42 T2 SQUAD 5] |GC| RYAN030: !r mapvote
[01:51:42 GLOBAL] MEDIC kevin.killoran: -- Baby
[01:51:50 GLOBAL] GregLegs: dod*
[01:51:51 GLOBAL] DanielGrushin: !r hind engaging from dod
[01:51:54 T2 SQUAD 4] ShrapGnoll: !w daniel do not enter dod
[01:51:57 GLOBAL] ShrapGnoll: not an excuse
[01:52:00 GLOBAL] GregLegs: yeah, very funny
[01:52:11 GLOBAL] ShrapGnoll: you can shoot out of DOD if you are shooting in, not the other way around
[01:52:18 T2 SQUAD 1] DanielGrushin: lgl daxt
[01:52:20 GLOBAL] ShrapGnoll: You can defend DOD
[01:52:24 T2 SQUAD 0] DanielGrushin: !givelead daxt2
[01:52:36 GLOBAL] |GC| RYAN030: he's only shooting in becase they are shooting out?
[01:52:50 TEAM 2] [TZ] ReapersPr0digy: pablo can you check your fucking fire
[01:52:53 GLOBAL] prWARs nardz123: hooting out of DOD isn't illegal strictly speaking.
[01:52:59 T1 SQUAD 1] <(00)> Evox: !r rus cas its not shooting from dod
[01:53:11 GLOBAL] DanielGrushin: if you engaging from dod
[01:53:14 GLOBAL] DanielGrushin: we can engage u
[01:53:16 GLOBAL] DanielGrushin: simple as
[01:53:24 GLOBAL] prWARs nardz123: Nope, you can't. Back off DOD
[01:53:25 T2 SQUAD 4] ShrapGnoll: !w daniel no you can not
[01:53:30 GLOBAL] prWARs nardz123: o it and you'll be banned again
[01:54:13 GLOBAL] prWARs nardz123: ead the rules.
[01:54:17 T2 SQUAD 1] DanielGrushin: !admins
[01:54:19 GLOBAL] ShrapGnoll: ^
[01:55:28 GLOBAL] |NWG| ShaunOfCathayy: so cas can just hover above main dump rockets and dip?
[01:55:30 GLOBAL] stolen_technical: just to confirm. I can sit in DoD and shoot out all day, and ban anyone that kills me?
[01:55:42 GLOBAL] prWARs sprint113: yes
[01:55:43 GLOBAL] [TZ] Chefmoto: yes
[01:55:44 GLOBAL] daxt2: yeah thats pretty stupid
[01:55:45 GLOBAL] [TZ] PinkFloydFreak: SPECT THE RULES CUT ALL CHAT
[01:55:51 GLOBAL] [TZ] Chefmoto: welcome to PR 2020
[01:55:53 GLOBAL] daxt2: should review that rule
[01:56:54 GLOBAL] prWARs nardz123: You can never shoot into DOD. You can SOMETIMES shoot out of DOD

[01:57:00 T1 SQUAD 1] GregLegs: !r cas destroyed our hind in dod :/
[01:57:06 GLOBAL] ShrapGnoll: what grid?
[01:57:07 T1 SQUAD 1] <(00)> Evox: !r cas got kill in dod
[01:57:11 T1 SQUAD 5] prWARs nardz123: !r Who shot cas helo? that was DOD
[01:57:13 T1 SQUAD 5] KILLER-: !go read the rules on forun
[01:57:15 T1 SQUAD 5] prWARs nardz123: !r Can confirm
[01:57:18 GLOBAL] [TZ] Chefmoto: the issue is it's never enforced when they abuse DoD and constantly engage from within it
[01:57:18 GLOBAL] ShrapGnoll: who was in the helo?

So after the rule being explained clearly to you. You got a warning. Everyone was telling you the same thing.
You still shot them down in DOD? It seems like you wanted to get banned? Looking at the logs you've got 3 bans in as many months.

I also see some reports from you that indicate you do understand the rules enough to report others for the same thing...

[2020-05-07 22:06] !REPORT performed by ' DanielGrushin': us locking cas on main
[2020-05-07 22:07] !REPORT performed by ' DanielGrushin': we just got shot over our main
[2020-05-07 22:10] !REPORT performed by ' DanielGrushin': just look at the havoc wreck it's literally on the airfield fence
[2020-05-08 14:54] !REPORT performed by ' DanielGrushin': heli getting shot in dod
[2020-05-16 18:21] !REPORT performed by ' DanielGrushin': enemy cas killed our cas in dod btw
[2020-06-06 03:32] !REPORT performed by ' DanielGrushin': kiowa being shot by aa in main

[2020-05-15 20:37] !KICK performed by 'PRISM user justice' on ' DanielGrushin': killing in DoD

I'll explain this once. Even though you already know. Players may not fire into DOD. Period. A player that is being
engaged inside their own DOD may fire defensively out of it. CAS must not chase enemy aircraft into enemy DOD.

If players are firing offensively out of DOD, and admins are not dealing with the situation to your satisfaction. You
can make a report here on the forums. Do not take the rules into your own hands.

Section 4: MAPS/BASES

4.1 Do not attack enemy bases unless there is a capable flag on it. Bases that have no flag on them are considered out of limits.

4.2 Do not attack or chase and attack enemy aircraft that are over their own main base.


Head admins please lift the ban.
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2 weeks 3 days ago - 2 weeks 3 days ago #28173 by ShrapGnoll
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<snip> forum made a double post
Last edit: 2 weeks 3 days ago by ShrapGnoll. Reason: forum error
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2 weeks 2 days ago #28174 by DanielGrushin
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Shrap, my previous bans are completely irrelevant to the current situation. I don't even know why did you bring them up here.
You didn't even put the grid in the logs (spoiler alert: cause I didn't shot them down over the DoD) and just go with the admins "can confirm".
I can't even defense myself properly, cause your br is constantly down though you are obliged to post every single recording by the PR server license.
Please try to apply some common sense for this situation: hinds are constantly dump their ammo load over DoD and run away to main in the first sign of danger. I can understand if it happened once or twice, but it was more than 4 times as daxt said. What should I do as F16 pilot? Just let them kill whole team on the flag from DoD? Or have more hog admins in my squad to be able to shoot it down?
Jesus christ, I even remember when one particular hog admin lazed enemy t72 in DoD and said that he was engaging from DoD so I am free to kill it.

I also see some reports from you that indicate you do understand the rules enough to report others for the same thing...

[2020-05-07 22:06] !REPORT performed by ' DanielGrushin': us locking cas on main
[2020-05-07 22:07] !REPORT performed by ' DanielGrushin': we just got shot over our main
[2020-05-07 22:10] !REPORT performed by ' DanielGrushin': just look at the havoc wreck it's literally on the airfield fence
[2020-05-08 14:54] !REPORT performed by ' DanielGrushin': heli getting shot in dod
[2020-05-16 18:21] !REPORT performed by ' DanielGrushin': enemy cas killed our cas in dod btw
[2020-06-06 03:32] !REPORT performed by ' DanielGrushin': kiowa being shot by aa in main


This is completely different situation, we're being shot over the airstrip by superfob camping our main. It wasn't even DoD, it was literally over our main...


4.2 Do not attack or chase and attack enemy aircraft that are over their own main base.
Does it mean if I shoot down enemy jet 3k above their airstrip it makes me offender of this rule? No.

All I'm asking is to apply common sense for those kind of rules. If enemy hind abusing DoD and firing from it and admins do nothing after countless reports (probably because admins are inside of these said hinds) we can shoot them down.
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2 weeks 2 days ago - 2 weeks 2 days ago #28175 by DanielGrushin
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